Will Clark

Children it was hot!  I knew I had to do this interview and show at Club Z with Will, so I get home, after work, and took a little disco nap.  No, I wasn’t going to be dancing, I was there at Club Z to take part in the “Biggest Dick In Seattle Contest” (see welcome letter) and to interview Will Clark, Porn Star.  I got to the club and gave the guy at the front my name and he let me in.  Everyone was busy hanging banners and getting ready for the night.  I went upstairs and checked the joint out.  Nothing had changed in the ten plus years since I had last been there.  Nothing except I was thirty pound heavier and I was there to do a show.  After a while, Will arrived. I found him to be more handsome than he is on video.  We shook hands and I went and got a key from the guy behind the counter.   I told him that I was there to interview Will and that we needed a room so that we could talk quietly.  He handed me a key, with a strange look, but I wasn’t feeling him.  I had an hour before show time and I couldn’t be bothered.  I was excited about the interview because I’ve always been a little fascinated with “Adult Performers”.  I don’t know why.  I’d done my research and I heard that Mr. Clark was a nice guy.  I found out he was exactly that and more.  Once we found the room, I was sweating bullets. It had to be the hottest day of the year.  I removed the t-shirt I was wearing, we sat on the regulation bathhouse bed and I turned on the recorder.

Nappy: So this is your first time in Seattle?

  No, I’ve been here before.  I’ve visited friends here in the past, but it’s been a few years.

N:  (reaching in bag) Here, child, let me give you your official Nappyheadedboy T-shirt.  Everyone I interview gets one.

  (big laugh) Oh, thank you very much.  I love Nappyheadedboy.com!  I looked at it this morning! (laughing).

N:  What’s interesting is I was at the video store the other day. I have to write the porn reviews, you know.

  Oh, o.k.

N:  And I was there talking to the guy, Dawson, who works there, that I was going to do this gig and that I had the pleasure of meeting and interviewing you. And you should’ve seen the look in his eye when I mentioned your name.

(smiling) No way.

N:  He was like, “oh my God!” I had seen your movie “Invaders From Uranus”; great movie and I was like, “can you show me some of his others, Dawson?”

  (laughing)

N:  Dawson immediately went to work pulling down these video boxes and giving me commentaries.

(laughing) Wow!

N:  He’s one of your biggest fans.  He told me to tell you “hello”.

I’m sorry, what’s his name?

N:  Dawson.  He wanted a photo.  I told him that I’d ask.  Do you have one?

I didn’t bring any with me, but email me and I’ll send you one.  Let me give you my card.  (hands me card). Email me and I’ll pop it in the mail to him.  It’ll be a nice little surprise to him.

N:  Perfect.  I’ve been to your site and I love it.  What, in your opinion is your best video?

My opinion is colored because I think about how the scene was shot and not how it appears on video.  So, I know how they came out on video, but I’m like, “we had a really great time doing this scene and one of my favorite scenes where I had a great time with my co-star and the Director, and it the came out the way it was done, and it’s shows on video was from MSR (Male Sexual Research; Men Are Pigs) is “Three Degrees of Humiliation”.

N:  I looked for it and I couldn’t find it anywhere in Seattle.  Pissed me off.

W:  Maybe it hasn’t made its way out here yet.

N:  The latest I found was “Redwood” which I liked.

  That was done a while ago.

N:  You’re on this little wooden thing about an inch wide getting fucked.

  (laughing) yeah it was about an inch wide.  That’s funny.

N:  Know what’s interesting about you?  My friend Quinten and I – Lord if anyone asks you who the porn people are in Seattle, unfortunately it Quinten and me.  Lord if my mother only knew.  My boyfriend, Russ, calls me a porn pusher.  I did my research and I watched “Country Hustlers” also.

  That was fun.

N:  The woman, Sharon Kane, bugged me.  I was like, “please move.”

  (laughing)

N:  “Could you please move dear?”  (laughing)  I love women and I love some women who are in the industry, but she bugged me.

  She was in the middle of things.

N:  But I loved “Invaders From Uranus.”

  Yeah.  That was hot.

N:  Mike Nichols has a huge dick.

Yeah.  And I’m on a sawhorse and it’s an inch wide and I’m trying to maintain an erection and stay on the sawhorse.  That’s talent.  I mean, award-winning talent. (laughing)

N:  Yeah and Mike’s not a small guy.

  No he’s not a small guy.  Actually Mike and I had played together.  I was at the Nob Hill theatre in San Francisco.  He was a house dancer and I was headliner that week and we met and it there was this bonding and he went back to my hotel and we fucked for awhile and it was a quick thing and when they were casting for that movie, Thor has casted Kyle McKenna and Mike for that scene and Kyle hadn’t got back with him and I was on the West Coast and I was calling people letting them know I was there and,  “let’s do some films” and I called Thor and he was like, “well, I don’t know if Kyle is going to do it, he hasn’t called me back so I’ll put him in another scene and I’ve got to be sure, so he said that, “ I’ll put you with Mike in that scene” and I was like, “actually Mike and I played and we hadn’t like consummated it totally” and he was like, “oh really.”

N:  Chemistry and all that.

  Right.  He was like, “I’m going to make use of the chemistry.”

N:  Cool.

  I think the scene is totally hot.  He has beautiful eyes.  He has a great penis and he’s a cool guy.  And Thor is a great director to work with.  He’s laid back and funny.  He makes jokes.  Everyone has a great time.  No drama.

N:  I think it’s your best and I went through your whole catalog except for the “Humiliation” thing.

Well, it’s very new and I play a yuppie, who comes home to find his gardener, who is played by Rick Allen.  He’s tall and he acted in “Boss Man” from Catalina films.

N:  I think he was in “Biker Pigs”

  Yes.  Very hot guy.  So in character I come home, I see him and I get all flustered and he’s not doing his job, so I tell him off and in retaliation, he rips off my clothes, orders me to get on all fours and he fucks me while I’m crawling across the lawn trying to get away from him.  I look like a lawnmower.  He takes me over to the pool and is fucking me and Rick is such a sweetheart that he’s like a puppy and he’s so nice and so sweet.  He’s like the nicest guy you could ever meet.

N:  I watched the “Biker Pigs” and Rick is all my type.  It’s all me. I think he’s hot too.

  So he’s fucking me and trying to be rough with me and we’re friends and he’s like, “I don’t want to hurt you.” And I’m like, “you’re not going to hurt me.”  I told him to grab the back of my head and that I would throw myself into the water.  So when you see the scene, he’s not really pushing me, he has his hand on my head and I’m throwing myself in the water and pulling myself up, it’s all-

N:  Entertainment.

  Theatre.

N:  Know what you are?  I asked people what they think of Will Clark and we’ve come to the conclusion that you’re one of those aggressive bottoms whose also man.  And Falcon and others tend to think that bottoms have to be these little five feet things, femmy little, (nelly as I can get) “oooh throw the ball, Jimmy.” “Fuck me!”  “Harder!”

  (laughing)

N:  I hate that crap.  It’s like they’re fine until they open their mouths.

  (laughing)

N:  It ruins it.

  Yeah.

N: People say that you’re bringing back that lost art of the masculine, aggressive bottom.

  I’m glad.  I also enjoy having sex.  It shows.

N:  Oh yeah?

  I often get the comment from fans, “ you looked like you had such a great time getting fucked, that I’m going to try it.  I’m a little nervous, but I’m going to try it.  I’ve always been a top and I’m going to try it.  You look like you’re having a great time and I want to see what I’m missing.”  I don’t know if I’ve converted a lot of tops to bottom or anything, but it’s exciting to me as a performer and as a person to go and say that I’ve had some impact on some people.  That’s really cool.  It’s encouraging. It’s like gay sex can be fun and a lot of performers look like their doing a laundry list or they’re out to lunch on film.

N:  Or they just got back from the salon and everything is trimmed.

  They’re not touching anything and they’re fucking but they’re not engaged with the person that they’re with.   It’s like, “hello, I’m down here, could you please pay attention to me?”  We’re connected, your dick is in my ass, could you please pay me some attention.”

N:  “Over here!”

“Could you please acknowledge that I’m a human being down here, thank you very much.”

N:  So you enjoy what you do?

  I love what I do.  I really do.  I have a great time doing it.  Who wouldn’t?  I mean I get to have great sex with beautiful men, I get paid for it, and I make an impact.  People enjoy it.  People get off.  People feel great about sex.    It’s not just me, other people in the industry feel the same way.  What could be better than that?

N:  They said that you were never going to make it, you know?

  Why is that?

N:  They said that you were not the type. You were wasn’t tweezered, you were strawberry blonde-

  There really aren’t any red heads in the industry.  Yeah, I walked in the door and I knew I had a lot of strikes against me.  I was living in New York and everyone was in LA or San Francisco and I had to travel across the country.

N:  So you live in New York?

  I use to, when I first started in the business. Now I live in LA.  In LA I do regular fundraisers for AIDS and I also host a cocktail hour at a bar called “Mickeys” in West Hollywood and each week I get a star and I encourage the studios to send their exclusives to do special things and why not? We have this great event and the industry is here, why not make use of it?  You know in August, I wanted Chi Chi LaRue to do a month with “Mickey’s” and bring over some models and she was jazzed about it.  She said that she wanted to bring in four guys one week and I was like, well I can only pay like $50.00 for one model, she said that none of the models are going to make any money this month.  I was like, what?  She said take the $250 and give it to Aid for AIDS.  I asked her was she sure about that, she said that she’d tell them that she was sure about that.  It was great.  I mean she didn’t have to do that and $50.00 is not a whole lot of money for the models to make, but they’re not performing, they get their cocktails and they get to promote themselves.  It’s just a fun little event we do.  I have a lot of support from the industry and a lot of people come out to see their favorite and we have a great time every Thursday from 6:00 until 8:00 PM.

N:  I think that’s wonderful.  What made you want to be a “movie star”?

  A number of things.  I was pursuing an acting career in New York and it was kind of going nowhere, then I got into this show in an off, off, off Broadway show in this Gay and Lesbian theater and actually I had a lot of trouble memorizing a lot of dialogue.  I got to sing.

N:  You sing too?

Yeah, it was actually great. I had a good time.  I spent all my days not working.  I spent all day memorizing and my nights rehearsing and the play didn’t quite pay enough, it was one of those things you just do.  So suddenly I was broke, so I tried escorting and go-go dancing.  I found I had a talent for it and I really liked it and thought it was cool.  And then I was writing and found I was a much better writer than acting.  And I was selling some of that.  I wasn’t acting really and someone out of the blue said why not do porn and I said, well, since I’m not doing acting, I guess I can.  I did it.  I did like six films in six weeks.  This was August and September of 1995.  I got back to New York and I was like, “oh my God what did I just do?”

N:  And it’s gone.  You’re out there suddenly.

  O.k. here I have a decision to make.  I can say that I’m going to continue on doing it and say I enjoyed it or I can say that for those six weeks I was temporarily insane.  I was on drugs. You can’t say that.  Rosie O’Donnell and America loves nothing more than someone who is apologetic for what they’ve done.

N:  And you hope that you’re doing your shopping and hope that no one knows who you are.

  Right.  And you’re living in fear for the rest of your life. I was weighing it and I had done this photo shoot too for “Freshman” magazine and they told me that I wasn’t going to be on the cover, that I was just going to model.  I was still in the throes of what I wanted to do for my career. So eventually I had friends come up to me and tell me that I’m the cover of “Advocate Classifieds”.  It’s like you’re on the cover, you’re the spread and the rest is like advertising.  That’s how it was not too many years ago o.k.  I was like, here I am, I’m not hiding in the pages with ten or so other models.  I could be over looked that way.  But I was on the cover.  I was like, here I am, and I guess this is it.  It’s an opportunity and here was the perfect moment to like seize it.  I did more movies, I liked it, then the writing came and the website came and the hosting came and I have always been involved in AIDS. I’ve always done AIDS volunteering.  I did it in Chicago when I lived there, in New York, then I took some time off from AIDS and in 1997 I started again.  I haven’t stopped.  I’ve been doing it non stop since.

N:  I think we have to do it. You and I are in a position where people listen to us.

  I think for those of us who are left and who have the time and talent and energy and aren’t tired.  And when we are tired there will be others to take over and so on and so on. When I burn out, someone who has been taking a break will stand up and say it’s their turn.

N:  I wrote on my site that I thought I was done with the AIDS.  I had been doing it for years then I took a break and here I am again.  I thought it would be over now.  I’m kind of tired, but I feel compelled to do it.

  Yeah we have to do it.  We have to say no sometimes and not get insanely involved.

N:  You know the get arrested and dragged away from City Hall sort of thing.

  Our activism in 2000 is different than it was in the 1980s.  The world is different.  I actually was just having this conversation with someone who was lamenting over the fact that there is no anger anymore. And that we’re complacent and that things are happening in our community and people aren’t doing anything.  They’re not acting up, or writing about it.  The ACT-UP, Queer Nation stuff always made me feel uncomfortable, I was like, I’ll go educate.  That’s my thing.  I’ll educate.  That’s my activism.  I’ll go and talk to people.  I can’t scream.  That unnerves me.  Now in this time in history I’m like we’ve got to speak out or we’ll loose what little we have.  And when it’s gone people will wake up and wonder what happened and find out that they didn’t do anything. They were asleep. You didn’t get out of your house.  You were watching TV.  You didn’t march. You didn’t say anything.  I’m in this great space where I can get others to do things.  Some models show up and look pretty and that’s enough.  They don’t want to talk or educate they just show up and that’s fine.  They’re doing something.  If putting your picture on the poster will get others to come out, or buy more tickets or write more checks, then you’ve done your part.

N:  Are they generally nice about it?

  Sure there are people who say that they don’t feel comfortable about that sort of an event, but they’ll do a behind the scenes things. Eduardo is a perfect example of this. He’s Latin and he won’t do events in LA because that’s where he lives.  He feels funny about that.  He thinks that no one will pay to see him if they see him at the supermarket.  I disagree with him, but oh well.  But anytime we do something out of town, he’s there.

N:  I bet you have the best dish in the world?

  Yeah, I know some things about people, but I can’t tell. Some of it is negative which I’d never tell, but some of it is cool stuff.  Like I love the fact that Sam Crockett and Brad King do a lot of volunteer work for AIDS.  And they are very quiet about it.

N:  So what are you going to do this evening?

  (laughing) Actually your guest is as good as mine.  They tell me that I’m helping out with a demo and that I’m going to talk about safe sex and I’m talking about behind the scenes in the industry.  I’ll be around and just kind of frisky.  I’m easy going.  I’m here.  I’ll just sit over there and give me a ten-minute warning and I’m ready.  They’ve treated me very nicely.

N:  Good. Call me if they don’t.

  Everyone has been great.  It’s such a testament.  When I’m out at a signing or doing a show like this.  People are so warm and great. Very rarely are people nasty.  People are so wonderful.

N:  If you’re a bitch, people will treat you like a bitch.

  Exactly.  I was in Dallas and I had a ball.  The minute I got off the plane to the time I got on, we had a ball.  That was fun. (laughing).  Atlanta, “The Metro”, they’re great.  And it gives me the opportunity to meet the fans.

N:  I’m a new fan.

  You’re a fan.  I feel the word “fan” has a negative connotation somehow.  It doesn’t sound quite right.  I write letters to my “fans” and open it with “dear friends”.  They are my friends.  Jim Palmer is one of my favorite people.

N:  He loves to have his dick sucked.

  He just loves people. He was at “Cocktails” last December and the people just love him.  The place was packed.  He sang, we hung out, he was kissy kissy and there was this long line of people who wanted his autograph and anyone else would’ve panicked, but he took the time with each photo and each person.  He hugged them and kissed them and it was great. He’s great. So I asked him if he has a boyfriend and he said that his fans were his boyfriends.  I was like “rock on sister.  I love you.”

N:  That’s sweet.

  There is nothing better than getting a love note from someone whose seen your video or came to your show.

N:  You should’ve seen Dawson in the video store.  He was giddy at the mention of your name.  He knew all about you.

  That’s very cool.  I have a column at Gaywired.com and it’s a good thing.  We have great site and for the first time in a long time, I’m in a job where I feel valued.

N:  You know, give me my paycheck and let me get the fuck out.

  Right.  I had my problems the first part of the year.  I was having personal things with my boyfriend and moving and having problems with my back and Gaywired approached me and when you’re down and out and got problems you’re like, “so you want me, here are the conditions.”  I was like, I should just be glad that they’re giving me this opportunity and just say yes to anything.  Then I looked and I had compromised and compromised all those years and now I was at the point where it was like, I like to work like this and I like to do these events and –

N:  This what I’m willing to do and what I won’t do.

  Right.  I’m not working eighteen-hour days and don’t put a tight collar on me and don’t make me have a time card.  If you give me a long leash you will actually get more for your money then I will be actually happy. I can’t be in my car thinking oh my God it’s 8:59 I’m going to be late.  I can’t live with that kind of pressure.    I was really in a financial crunch and still am, but things will smooth out by the end of the summer and the regular paychecks and everything.  But it taught me something. Usually when you’re down and out, you are willing to make sacrifices and find shelter.  And you go to the first place you find, anything, and anywhere.  This time I was like, I’ve done that and I wasn’t happy and I made the same mistakes again.  This time I wasn’t going to do that.  This time it was about asking for what you want.  No compromise.

N:  So you’re single now?

  Yes I’m single now.  I miss my boyfriend Rob a lot. And despite all the things we didn’t have in common, and there were a lot.  And all the things that he didn’t want to hear about my life, escort things, porn movies, etc. more and more there were stuff that I couldn’t share with him.

N:  That must’ve been tough.

Very tough.  We both tried really hard to make it work.  He said that you’re going to have to move out and that was the end of the relationship.

N:  Was that hard?

  It was very hard.  And it was hard for him. I’ll love him for the rest of my life.  Despite the other bullshit that a relationship is or isn’t and the one thing that I know is real and true for Rob and I is that when he holds me or I hold him, nothing else matters or nothing else is wrong. It’s just the most joyous and beautiful thing in the world.  When we were holding each other and just cuddling, there was nothing better.  That’s something I miss.

N:  Now we get to the juicy stuff. I love this part.

  I had never had a relationship before Rob, but we were together two and a half years and that’s a long time for me.

N:  And you were working during the time?

I was working them all. The column, the events, movies, performances and flying off to different cities and doing performances it was a lot.  But I had to put work into my career.  I worked my ass off.  The writing is a lot.

N:  I know Nappyheadedboy is a job.  Laying the site out every month is a job.

I know.  I don’t have to do the web design thing; I have a guy who does that. Andrew is a great programming and a great friend to me.

N:  Dan Tobey lays mine out and he’s so talented and such a great friend.  I don’t know what I’d do without him.

  It’s a lot.  Sometimes I want to do it all myself, but I found I had to ask for help and that was hard.

N:  What sign are you?

Pisces.

N:  Me too.

  But I sometimes want to do it all then I wonder why I’m crabby and tired and not in the mood.

N:  Me too.

I found out that I couldn’t do it all. I almost had a breakdown after the breakup.  It was scary and horrible and wonderful in the fact that it taught me a lot of stuff about myself.

N:  And performers that you admire?

  I admire them all.  A lot of them are friends are mine so I view their work differently.  I mean I hang out with them and have them over for dinner that sort of thing.  I see it from a different angle.  One of my favorites is Rick Allen.  We have a great time together. For sentimental reasons I like Dino Demarco from “Night Walk” it was like my first video.  We had a great scene together.

N: And your type.

  Personality is going to transcend what you look like.  I like someone who’s a little traditional and a little crazy and open minded, out going and self-sufficient.  It’s difficult to be the boyfriend of a porn star or a celebrity.  The boyfriend goes to the event and I’m off smoozing and saying hello.  An awards show is work.  It’s work.  I’m honoring others in the industry, I’m getting contacts.  It’s like, “hi Chi Chi how are you?”

N: Boyfriend has to understand.  It’s like mingle please.

  Mingle or don’t come or mingle with me.  Rob had issues.  He wanted me to hang out with him and I couldn’t.  I was working. He thought I wasn’t paying attention to him and I was really sorry, but I had to work.  My time had to be divided.

N: So are you still making movies?

  I haven’t done any videos since last fall. I did one video for Club Inferno last July called “Sit On It” then I did another and Rob and I were having problems.  I was working so hard and I wasn’t getting anything. I wasn’t making money, no recognition.  There was six months where things were crazy and Rob and I broke up in January and everything hit at once and March I thought I was going to have a breakdown.  I wasn’t acting I was like really loosing it.  It was when I let go of everything that wasn’t working for me.  Then Gaywired approached me.  I had a month before I was going to start and I went to New York and stayed with a friend.  It was very therapeutic just to get out and see friends.  My first thought was I got a column to do and I got to get letters to my fans and there were some deadlines that I had to do, but the other stuff I didn’t have to do.  I let go and it was so healthy.  I read books and relaxed.  I’m working on asking for help.

N: Me too.  We can’t do it all and Pisces can be control freaks.  Oops, they’re giving us a cue to come down stairs.  So are you working on something?

  I’ve decided to take some time off and I’d better mention this too.  It came to me through fan letters, “you’re great, we love what you’ve done, so you don’t get any awards, big fucking deal, we love you.  We love your work.”  I love my fans.  I needed to take a break and I have back problems and I haven’t been to the gym and there is no way I’m going in front of a camera after I haven’t been to the gym in eight months. So I know there is this company that said that I should take a break and when I’m ready to come back to call them and they said when I do they are going to publicize me to death.  That’s nice. Until then I’m doing my events and my column.

N:  They’re testing the sound for downstairs and we need to go.  It’s show time.  Thank you Will.

Thank you.  This was fun.